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obama to come up with a new proposal. vice president joe biden says a deal could be done in 15 minutes. all this comes as the government announces a gain of 146,000 jobs in the month of november. the unemployment rate fell to 7.7%. that is the lowest in four years but that was mostly due to people who stopped looking for work. both sides agree the u.s. does not want to follow down the path of greece. what is to blame there? too much austerity or too much taxation? we'll look at the problems inside his own party, for speaker boehner. it's friday. that means the lightning round with the panel. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> bob: kay. there is music for you. on december 3 last year, 16-year-old tyler alfred from oklahoma was driving under the influence and crashed his pickup truck killing his passenger and friend 16-year-old john luke. he pleaded guilty to first degree man slaughter in august. in the muskogee county -- it's oklahoma, district judge mik
obama to come up with a new proposal. vice president joe biden says a deal could be done in 15 minutes. all this comes as the government announces a gain of 146,000 jobs in the month of november. the unemployment rate fell to 7.7%. that is the lowest in four years but that was mostly due to people who stopped looking for work. both sides agree the u.s. does not want to follow down the path of greece. what is to blame there? too much austerity or too much taxation? we'll look at the problems...
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congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd like to see a lot more of that. the third would be a much more cautious dwrie regulation, the kind of regulation that actually works. more of a cost benefit analysis approach. the fourth is spending control. we jumped from 21% of gdp to 25% of gdp in spending in one year. that means we've been running a 9% deficit each year. we just can't sustain that. even if we increase taxes, if we tax the rich, what we're talking about is adding $900 billion to the debt every year instead of $1 trillion. it's not very long before you're italy under those circumstances pmplgts that's for sure. ed, good to see you. thank you for joining us today. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll reach across the other side of the aisle. laura tyson, the former council of economic advisers under president clinton will be up next with her take on today's jobs report. >>> later on, will the housing recovery go to pops if we go over the fiscal cliff? our panelists will join us with their doo
congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd like to see a lot more of that. the third would be a much more cautious dwrie regulation, the kind of regulation that actually works. more of a cost benefit analysis approach. the fourth is spending control. we jumped from 21% of gdp to 25% of gdp in spending in one year. that means we've been running a 9% deficit each year. we just can't sustain that. even if we increase taxes, if we tax the rich, what we're...
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, but right now it's the stage of posturing and pr. >> what about the idea that negotiations are now essentially the speaker in the room and the president in the room. first of all, how much do house republicans trust john boehner to get a good deal for the gop? >> well, that is a big question. "the new york times" had a very smart piece earlier this week reporting that john boehner seems to have a stronger command of the rank and file than ever before, but the white house seems like it was burned in 2011 during that debt ceiling fight where the end of the day they felt like that they could make a deal with john boehner, but he couldn't cut any deal either because his leadership wasn't totally on board as well as the rank and file. there is some danger to the mono and mono negotiating because it hasn't worked before. if there's a deal, it's definitely between the house and house republicans. those are the key players. if they bring in more people and having more voices, that's one thing. that's where the deal will be cut. >> this week we saw both the white house and congressional rep
, but right now it's the stage of posturing and pr. >> what about the idea that negotiations are now essentially the speaker in the room and the president in the room. first of all, how much do house republicans trust john boehner to get a good deal for the gop? >> well, that is a big question. "the new york times" had a very smart piece earlier this week reporting that john boehner seems to have a stronger command of the rank and file than ever before, but the white house...
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yesterday we were told that, in fact, staff negotiations had resumed between obama's staff and the president's -- and the speaker's staff and you saw this very tight coordination of messaging between obama and boehner that indicated they were working together well. then we see this from the speaker today. but after that, the aides came out privately and talked to us and we got some indication that those staff-level talks are going to continue through this weekend. so i think we're seeing a sort of two-track thing. a public negotiation and private negotiation of the staffers. i would still be encouraged but i have a $1 bet here with ben white that says we don't get this deal until after christmas and that we're going to have a little drama between now and then. >> can i respond to a bet. >> a $1 bet is pathetic. >> i don't -- do i look like mitt romney to you. i don't have $10,000 in my wallet. >> like the guys from trading places. >> he's going to be back on here and when a deal is made there's going to be greenery behind him, closer to christmas, that's how these deals happen, they happen fas
yesterday we were told that, in fact, staff negotiations had resumed between obama's staff and the president's -- and the speaker's staff and you saw this very tight coordination of messaging between obama and boehner that indicated they were working together well. then we see this from the speaker today. but after that, the aides came out privately and talked to us and we got some indication that those staff-level talks are going to continue through this weekend. so i think we're seeing a sort...
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new reports say president obama and john boehner are going mono mono with negotiations. ayman jabbers will join us with a live report. a tea party king maker and now jim demint says he can advances conservative causes effectively outside the senate while he makes a bunch of money at a think tank. brand old party problems with michael steele. and, frack baby frack? maybe. we'll get into the great energy debate with chris hayes when he joins me, joy reid, joan walsh and ben smith, all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, and we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. [car alarm blaring] call now and also ask about our
new reports say president obama and john boehner are going mono mono with negotiations. ayman jabbers will join us with a live report. a tea party king maker and now jim demint says he can advances conservative causes effectively outside the senate while he makes a bunch of money at a think tank. brand old party problems with michael steele. and, frack baby frack? maybe. we'll get into the great energy debate with chris hayes when he joins me, joy reid, joan walsh and ben smith, all of that...
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that was obama's opening bid. the republicans were miffed at him, they knew he wouldn't give them exactly what they'd accept. a few said they were inch superintendented like that. again you don't want to negotiate with yourself, you want to start over here and get in the middle to set up some type of deal. don't expect any deal until christmas at the earliest. >> reporter: let's go back to the tax cuts you're talking about. president obama wants to raise revenue by taxing those making $250,000 or more a year. it rises from 33% and 35% today to 36% and 39.6%, i believe. but that would only generate about 85 billion a year. according to the treasury department, the federal government spends that amount every eight 1/2 days. do you think that the point is purely political for the president since that's what he campaigned on? >> that is what speaker john boehner said, is that washington has a spending problem, not a tax problem. but speaker john boehner has a political problem in that their party's guy lost the electi
that was obama's opening bid. the republicans were miffed at him, they knew he wouldn't give them exactly what they'd accept. a few said they were inch superintendented like that. again you don't want to negotiate with yourself, you want to start over here and get in the middle to set up some type of deal. don't expect any deal until christmas at the earliest. >> reporter: let's go back to the tax cuts you're talking about. president obama wants to raise revenue by taxing those making...
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officials are saying the negotiations are now in the had hands of two men, president obama and house speaker eer jo boehner. bill plante is at the white house. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. and good morning in the west. the president has stepped up his rhetoric, warning failure to fix the fiscal crisis could sour the christmas season. as another day passed without any real progress, president obama ventured out to push his claim that the middle class will suffer. ♪ you better watch out you better not cry ♪ >> at the national christmas tree lighting, president obama joined the holiday mood. but earlier, visiting a middle class virginia family, he threatened that congress could ruin the christmas season. if it doesn't act, the administration says, middle class tax bills will increase by $2,000. >> we're in the midst of the christmas season. i think the american people are counting on this getting solved. the closer it gets to the brink, the more stress there is going to be. >> reporter: what may raise the stress level even further is the promise that both the president a
officials are saying the negotiations are now in the had hands of two men, president obama and house speaker eer jo boehner. bill plante is at the white house. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. and good morning in the west. the president has stepped up his rhetoric, warning failure to fix the fiscal crisis could sour the christmas season. as another day passed without any real progress, president obama ventured out to push his claim that the middle class will suffer. ♪ you better...
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>> in fact, these numbers are huge for those negotiations. president obama's argument has been that the economy is doing well enough that it could handle a tax hike. if the economy were in recession, as we saw last time, he would be reluctant to lift that top rate. if the economy is growing sharply, then if there's some damage from lifting the top rate, maybe the economy could afford it. gdp growth number is not as strong as the jobs report f we had a really weak jobs report, the president would have a really hard time, even getting moderate democrats, to increase the marginal rate. the fact that it's a strong report puts wind in his sails. >> kevin, you've touched on it a little bit. can you be more specific about what you think we're missing from today's report? >> well, i think that what's missing from the report, if we're looking at the health of the overall economy, is that businesses are really pessimistic right now. we've had five months in a row where the orders for capital goods have been going down and, in fact, going down sharply.
>> in fact, these numbers are huge for those negotiations. president obama's argument has been that the economy is doing well enough that it could handle a tax hike. if the economy were in recession, as we saw last time, he would be reluctant to lift that top rate. if the economy is growing sharply, then if there's some damage from lifting the top rate, maybe the economy could afford it. gdp growth number is not as strong as the jobs report f we had a really weak jobs report, the...
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obama's objective in these negotiations is not economic but political. not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the republican majority in the house. get boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with democratic votes provided by minority leader nancy pelosi and let the republican civil war begin. it doesn't even matter whether boehner gets deposed as speaker. either way, the republican house would be neutered, giving obama a free hand to dominate washington and fashion the entitlement state of his liking. what should republicans do? stop giving stuff away. if obama remains intransigent, let him be the one to take us over the cliff, and then let the new house, which is sworn in weeks before the president, immediately introduce and pass a full across-the-board restoration of the george w. bush tax cuts. >> so i don't think that's inconsistent with anything that i just said. i agree with him 100%. what have i been saying for a week? do not cave. compromise. do not cave. if the president doesn't want to meet us halfway on massive entitlement cuts, on reforming
obama's objective in these negotiations is not economic but political. not to solve the debt crisis but to fracture the republican majority in the house. get boehner to cave, pass the tax hike with democratic votes provided by minority leader nancy pelosi and let the republican civil war begin. it doesn't even matter whether boehner gets deposed as speaker. either way, the republican house would be neutered, giving obama a free hand to dominate washington and fashion the entitlement state of...
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barak obama got zero votes for obamacare and that's unprecedented. then you come to the summer of 2011, you had the big super committee over deficit reduction. basically trying to negotiate the same thing they are now and that collapsed. it seems to me that barak obama is someone a president, surprisingly enough, who just does not know how to negotiate a political deal with the other side. >> steve: you're absolutely right. he doesn't want to make a deal. he's less monty burns from the simpsons where he's trying to extract and exact political pain on the republicans. >> i think it's a combination of arrogance. he may be the most arrogant person who ever sat in the oval office. a combination of that and inexperience and if you put those two combinations together, you get someone who is so confident in his own point of view, his own position that he can't recognize any validity in the other person's point of view. >> steve: we've talked to a number of people who say, you know, the president could be overplaying his hands. he thinks he's got all the car
barak obama got zero votes for obamacare and that's unprecedented. then you come to the summer of 2011, you had the big super committee over deficit reduction. basically trying to negotiate the same thing they are now and that collapsed. it seems to me that barak obama is someone a president, surprisingly enough, who just does not know how to negotiate a political deal with the other side. >> steve: you're absolutely right. he doesn't want to make a deal. he's less monty burns from the...
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. >>> in washington some difficult negotiations between the staffs of president obama and house speaker boehner, all that of course an effort to avoid the nation dropping over the fiscal cliff. in just a few days at the end of the year. in their first discussions yesterday after a week's hiatus we are told there were no signs of progress and even a hardening of positions. in fact, earlier president obama discussed the stalemate with middle-class families. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because the democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a since of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> he showed what he is really after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars without any limit at all. >> the major sticking points continue to be how to handle tax rates for wealthy americans, and also, what to do about reducing spending on entitlement programs like social security and medica medicare. >> aide between the president and the speaker of the house met and the talks basically went nowhere. according to one of the preside
. >>> in washington some difficult negotiations between the staffs of president obama and house speaker boehner, all that of course an effort to avoid the nation dropping over the fiscal cliff. in just a few days at the end of the year. in their first discussions yesterday after a week's hiatus we are told there were no signs of progress and even a hardening of positions. in fact, earlier president obama discussed the stalemate with middle-class families. >> for them to be...
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so you get in there and you do that negotiation. you know damn well, if anybody doesn't think taxes are going to go up for the rich, the drinks are on me. anybody with a brain knows that this guy, obama, that is his only insistence. but no someone favor -- go look at the tax code. that is what we spent eight months doing. looking at this code. in there is $1,100 ,000,000 of tax expenditures, tax earmarks spending by any other name. guess what? 20% of the american people use 80% of it. who do you think that is? that is you and me and the guys with money. only 27% of the american people itemize. that means three-quarters of the american people never heard of those goodies. so if you want to get something from the rich, just go in to the tax code and start ripping. you don't have to call at it tax increase. it will take time to do. that is where you get your scratch. >> bret: there is so much talk about taxes but little talk about spending or cut to spending. george will wrote spending the main culprit because the federal revenue is $2
so you get in there and you do that negotiation. you know damn well, if anybody doesn't think taxes are going to go up for the rich, the drinks are on me. anybody with a brain knows that this guy, obama, that is his only insistence. but no someone favor -- go look at the tax code. that is what we spent eight months doing. looking at this code. in there is $1,100 ,000,000 of tax expenditures, tax earmarks spending by any other name. guess what? 20% of the american people use 80% of it. who do...
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it's a negotiating tactic that president obama always keeps in his tool kit, head to a backyard or living room, sit down with families who say his approach offers economic relief and send a loud message to congress with a personal touch. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: this time the scene played out in falls church, virginia, at the home of high school teacher tiffany santana and her husband richard who works at a local toyota dealership. also at the table, tiffany's parents who live with them. >> it ain't every day that your president comes into your home. >> reporter: this family's political tattoo is still staked in the front yard. >> i'm concerned. >> reporter: cnn sat down with the santanas after the presidential motorcade road away down james street just nine miles from the white house. because their parents are also middle income wage earners, the entire household would see a $4,000 tax increase if an agreement isn't re
it's a negotiating tactic that president obama always keeps in his tool kit, head to a backyard or living room, sit down with families who say his approach offers economic relief and send a loud message to congress with a personal touch. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: this time the scene played out in falls church,...
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under the obama plan, the 33 would go to 36, the 35 would go to 39.6. you know, if you're trying to negotiate a compromise, you can start to play with each one of those numbers and try to find something. the huge problem for the republicans on doing that is they're opposed to any kind of tax increase on principle. so it's very hard for them to go into the negotiations that way and say, well, we could live with 37. well, if you do that, you have violated everything you've said about what you stand for prior to that. min i mean, the easier way for boehner to handle this is to allow if not secretly encourage a vote to occur in the house on the senate bill. if boehner were to allow a couple of dozen of his people it to go sign the discharge petition so that that comes to a vote and it comes to a vote without boehner having his fingerprints on it, allowing some republicans to go over there and just vote for that, that's the cleanest way to get it done and violates the fewest principles of other republicans who otherwise had to cast a vote on something. >> at
under the obama plan, the 33 would go to 36, the 35 would go to 39.6. you know, if you're trying to negotiate a compromise, you can start to play with each one of those numbers and try to find something. the huge problem for the republicans on doing that is they're opposed to any kind of tax increase on principle. so it's very hard for them to go into the negotiations that way and say, well, we could live with 37. well, if you do that, you have violated everything you've said about what you...
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president obama, in a meeting with some of the country's largest corporations demand that congress raise the debt ceiling without any strings attached. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the president sees the fiscal cliff showdown as an opportunity to break that linkage for good. republicans say they will not increase the debt ceiling now $16 trillion and due to expire in february without more deficit reduction. >> history shows that the only major deficit cutting deals we ever do around here ever comes after debates over the debt ceiling. it may be a good idea if you don't care about the debt, but it's a nonstarter for those of us who do. >> reporter: public opinion generally is on the president's side. house republicans are not paralyzed or powerless. in fact, they're more unifyied behind speaker boehner than they were on the debt crisis a year ago. wh
president obama, in a meeting with some of the country's largest corporations demand that congress raise the debt ceiling without any strings attached. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the president sees the fiscal cliff showdown as an opportunity...
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come down to speaker boehner and president obama. we wait, watch and listen to see if there are hints of progress. none so far. >> kate bolduan reporting live from washington. >>> in washington state, love is in the air. same-sex marriage now legal there. at midnight couples lined up to get a license and the very first couple to tie the knot in seattle. two women together for 35 years. right now same-sex marriage is legal in nine states and the nation's capital while civil unions are available in five other states. >>> smoke them if you got. r recreational marijuana is now legal washington state. pot smokers lit up like it was new year's eve. the new voter approved initiative went into effect at midnight. technically this is illegal. for now the seattle police department is turning a blind eye. last night this notice was sent out to all officers. "until further notice, officers shall not take any enforcement action other than a verbal warning for violation of 1-502." what was it like? >> reporter: well, it was certainly interesting.
come down to speaker boehner and president obama. we wait, watch and listen to see if there are hints of progress. none so far. >> kate bolduan reporting live from washington. >>> in washington state, love is in the air. same-sex marriage now legal there. at midnight couples lined up to get a license and the very first couple to tie the knot in seattle. two women together for 35 years. right now same-sex marriage is legal in nine states and the nation's capital while civil unions...
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. >> one of the biggest criticisms of president obama and the administration has been they tend to negotiate against themselves. i'm at this position and a week later i'm at this position. what he's trying to do is show their hardening their stance but in the end they will make a deal. it's hard to raise $1.6 trillion in revenues. most of the deals we've seen that were working were two and a half to one spending cuts. and all you are hearing about is revenues. >> the republicans on the hill really believe that the president is prepared to go over the cliff and blame them. they believe this is a political exercise. and so they believe that's what's happening. gietner hardened their position. >> we have about a minute left. want to shift focus to syria. there's word that they are preparing chemical weapons i mean loading some of these chemical weapons into bombs and into planes. what are your concerns about this? there are the obvious concerns. but this puts the u.s. in a difficult position with how you deal with this if president asad goes forward with this. >> president obama has a huge prob
. >> one of the biggest criticisms of president obama and the administration has been they tend to negotiate against themselves. i'm at this position and a week later i'm at this position. what he's trying to do is show their hardening their stance but in the end they will make a deal. it's hard to raise $1.6 trillion in revenues. most of the deals we've seen that were working were two and a half to one spending cuts. and all you are hearing about is revenues. >> the republicans on...
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to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later next year so republicans are now saying we can raise rates now. maybe we'll lower them later and we'll talk about it during the debt ceiling. now he's saying no, we're not going to talk about it then either. when would we have this debate when we were renaming post offices in july? can you clarify something for people that are watching? republicans are talking about raising taxes on the rich. and john boehner said that yesterday. we're talking about raising taxes on the rich. we're just not talking about raising the top marginal rate, right? i mean, both sides are now talking about raising taxes on the rich, just two different ways. >> yeah, i think that was an
to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to dell creting votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> well, i wonder, the president's saying, steve, that, you know what, we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later next year so republicans are now saying we can raise...
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president obama said i'm sticking to my guns also. the president is warning the republicans next move will be to use the upcoming vote on the debt ceiling as leverage in the budget battle. let's listen. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> i will not play that game. >> yes. >> is that something republicans are considering, and if so, i guess how would the white house respond? although i guess we're seeing a little bit of it there. >> i think you clearly see how the president would respond. this is where the question of leverage comes in to play. he came out of the election, he says that he ran on this issue of raising tax rates on wealthy. he believes he is very much the leverage in this negotiation and so you don't see him budging. republicans see the little levers that they have in the debt
president obama said i'm sticking to my guns also. the president is warning the republicans next move will be to use the upcoming vote on the debt ceiling as leverage in the budget battle. let's listen. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >>...
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if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry forhe report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled buet talks on republicans, president obama today wrateted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nati's debt ceing. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, an
if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry forhe report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled buet talks on republicans, president obama today wrateted up pressure on...
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president obama isn't negotiating like we just heard. he's negotiating to raise the tax rates on the rich as a downpayment on a larger deal to come later as far as taxes are concerned and medicare is concerned. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top two percent, that includes all of you, yes. but not in anyway that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases next year. 97% of small businesses don't see an increase in taxes next year. and by doing that alone, we raise almost a trillion dollars. >> let's bring in our chief political analyst right now, the president also had a specific warning for members of congress, the republicans on the issue of raising the debt ceiling. listen to this. >> if congress in anyway suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history u
president obama isn't negotiating like we just heard. he's negotiating to raise the tax rates on the rich as a downpayment on a larger deal to come later as far as taxes are concerned and medicare is concerned. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top two percent, that includes all of you, yes. but not in anyway that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see a single dime in tax increases...
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president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt companies. if you don't know what the fiscal cliff is, you've probably been living under a rock. i found this explanation. this is mr. burns from the simpsons. >> think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver all the money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it is just -- >> what actually will happen if america does head toward that fiscal cliff? and go over it even temporarily? cnn money's jean zahadi has been on this story from the very beginning. here is the question at hand. a lot of people are saying, what happe
president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt...
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obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a catastrophic standoff in mid 2011 that caused the downgrade in u.s. credit. president said he's simply not going to negotiate in the negotiating process that results in the same kind of stand-off. here is the president. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation? which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> so w
obama's big meeting with some of those ceos. john? >> the other way the ceos are in the middle of this is the president appeared before the business roundtable today as part of his effort to continue rounding up support from various constituencies for what he calls a balanced approach. one of the things he pressed was a priority that the head of the business roundtable, john eng r engler, has suggested which is a longer term fix to the debt ceiling problem. remember that it was a...
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on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> with the internet streaming space, hey, there melissa, we're looking at netflix bouncing around based on comments from the chief content cipher but the stock took a bit of a hit when he said that netflix has to plans to cover the costs of the disney deal. nevertheless causing the stock to come off the best levels of the day. back to you, carl. >>> the president is about to speak in front of the business roundtable. good morning, john. >> good morning, carl. he's talking to the business roundtable. you can expect him to highlight one aspect of the discussion
on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be...
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couldn't boehner have made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when
couldn't boehner have made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been...
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that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any time soon. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: earlier, the president met with the bipartisan group of governors. >> we understand this will be a shared sacrifice, you have to look at spending cuts. states are willing to do more with less. >> the governors didn't endorse a specific proposal, not the white house version or the house republican version, but they did say that something must be done to avoid those massive mandatory spending cuts that will go into effect if no deal is reached. rob and paula, back to you. >> thank you, kare
that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't...
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but instead of private negotiations, he's on thing for a public appeal. let's go to our chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, for the latest. jessica? >> reporter: hi, wolf. that's right. today, president obama went public, rejecting speaker boehner's proposal for a deficit reduction plan and insisting that any deal must include a proposal to increase rates for the wealthiest. he did it all in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. you know, he talk, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. and when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: and he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and not-for-profit agency across the country would suddenly find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this
but instead of private negotiations, he's on thing for a public appeal. let's go to our chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, for the latest. jessica? >> reporter: hi, wolf. that's right. today, president obama went public, rejecting speaker boehner's proposal for a deficit reduction plan and insisting that any deal must include a proposal to increase rates for the wealthiest. he did it all in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to...
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. >> president obama is right in the short term. right now it's the postures pr phase of the entire negotiations, but we're probably going to see the negotiations start in ernest around middle september, close to the christmas holiday season. at that point i wouldn't be surprised if president obama, john boehner, and other key folks are actually locked up somewhere in maybe camp david, maybe at the white house. that's when the big talks will start. not now but in the next couple of weeks. >> back to the power move as it's described by speaker boehner. who are the strongest allies. we've seen paul ryan all but vanish here other than when we put the picture up on the committee and who is on it. who are the allies supporting speaker boehner that are team players? >> there was a criticism in the suspicion about a year ago that even some of john boehner's top deputies weren't always on board. that came about during the debt ceiling debate of 2011 where there was a lot of suspicion where eric cantor the house majority leader was on the sa
. >> president obama is right in the short term. right now it's the postures pr phase of the entire negotiations, but we're probably going to see the negotiations start in ernest around middle september, close to the christmas holiday season. at that point i wouldn't be surprised if president obama, john boehner, and other key folks are actually locked up somewhere in maybe camp david, maybe at the white house. that's when the big talks will start. not now but in the next couple of weeks....
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what david brooks wrote is, of course, the democratic narrative and that's what obama's trying to sell. it is not actually what's happening on the ground in terms of negotiations, but there are no cameras in there and so the president's spokesman can walk out of the room as they did all the way through the negotiations on the debt ceiling and misrepresent what had happened. let's get c-span cameras and msnbc cameras in there so we can ask obama about his $800 billion in savings from not sticking around in iraq. >> but really, grover, do you think that would help the republican party? >> yes -- no. it would help the american people accurately see what's going on. it's like solomon and the two ladies and the baby, whoever doesn't want the cameras in the room is lying. >> grover, one last question for you. >> yeah. >> an ideological question, which is to say, elected representatives are supposed to represent their constituents. abc washington post poll that americans are asked do they support raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. 60% support it, 37% oppose it. is it not the
what david brooks wrote is, of course, the democratic narrative and that's what obama's trying to sell. it is not actually what's happening on the ground in terms of negotiations, but there are no cameras in there and so the president's spokesman can walk out of the room as they did all the way through the negotiations on the debt ceiling and misrepresent what had happened. let's get c-span cameras and msnbc cameras in there so we can ask obama about his $800 billion in savings from not...
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. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you
. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no...
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and obama would be remiss not to try. go ahead, eugene. >> obama has talked about -- he phrased it as breaking the fever, i think, at one point. this sort of solid wall of adamanting opposition to any sort of tax rate increase ever in the house has been seen as a problem to him from day one. and coming off the election, he's in a stronger political position than he's been in before. his incentive is not to rush into the room, his strength is out among public opinion where that's friendlier terrain for him. whereas once they get in the room, of course, republicans still have power, still have control of the house. >> yeah. >> so there's no great incentive for him to rush to compromise at this point. >> gene, why is -- why is raising the top marginal rate so important to the president as well as liberals across america? why -- explain why the is that so important? >> well -- >> and i'm talking specifically the top marginal rate. not taxes on the rich. because the rich have been skating by for too long. i've said it it's imm
and obama would be remiss not to try. go ahead, eugene. >> obama has talked about -- he phrased it as breaking the fever, i think, at one point. this sort of solid wall of adamanting opposition to any sort of tax rate increase ever in the house has been seen as a problem to him from day one. and coming off the election, he's in a stronger political position than he's been in before. his incentive is not to rush into the room, his strength is out among public opinion where that's...
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. >>> and amid tough negotiations to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama meets with bipartisan groups of governors about the problem today. the meeting a day after house speaker jonathan boehner laid a republican plan to solve the crisis on the table and calls for $800 billion in higher taxes revenue and does not increase taxes on wealthy americans. the white house is rejecting the offer, saying any deal must include an end to tax cuts for families making over $250,000. >>> and the senate has approved a new u.s. commander for the war in afghanistan. he's marine corporal general joseph doneford and replaces general john al llen, nominatedo head forces in europe. allen's nomination on hold because of his involvement in the sex scandal that brought down former cia director david petraeus. >>> in foreign news, new intelligence reports, indicate syria's government may be preparing to use chemical and biological weapons against the rebels. in response though, the u.s. and its allies are considering military options. here's abc's martha raddatz. >
. >>> and amid tough negotiations to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama meets with bipartisan groups of governors about the problem today. the meeting a day after house speaker jonathan boehner laid a republican plan to solve the crisis on the table and calls for $800 billion in higher taxes revenue and does not increase taxes on wealthy americans. the white house is rejecting the offer, saying any deal must include an end to tax cuts for families making over...
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and that's why i'm really glad president obama is not negotiating both for himself and for the republicans, which was sometimes his habit the last time. he's basically saying you want a bunch of cuts i don't have. don't make me propose them. that's creating some pressure on them. i think both those things will have an effect. we'll get the taxes back if we do nothing. >> the conversation in washington being separate from what it feels like the real needs of the country, a familiar feeling for me. i often have this frustration that the beltway discussion is not what the important questions are that are facing the country. in this case, i feel like as long as we're willing to talk about the economic needs of the country, as long as we're willing to talk about fiscal policy, how can it be we're not talking about new stimulus. the republicans ran against that as if the stimulus was this awful thing. but the republicans lost and we have an economic growth problem now. i wonder if you see signs of hope in what the president is asking for there in the way people are talking about the need to goos
and that's why i'm really glad president obama is not negotiating both for himself and for the republicans, which was sometimes his habit the last time. he's basically saying you want a bunch of cuts i don't have. don't make me propose them. that's creating some pressure on them. i think both those things will have an effect. we'll get the taxes back if we do nothing. >> the conversation in washington being separate from what it feels like the real needs of the country, a familiar feeling...
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the problem for the republicans is they have had their clocks cleaned in two years of negotiation, and obama, the difference between 1937 and the court packing plan, roosevelt was a god ringing 61 percent of the tote and president obama got 51 percent barely, an while romy was incompetent at campaigning. they show no imagination. if they did they can turn this debate over. >>neil: thank you, patrick who saw all of this covering on election night. if you missed it, i don't know what to tell you, you should be ashameed. how about adding more days off school? some districts are trying it and the taxpayers may not like the cost of it. i love to eat. i love hanging out with my friends. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. super polig
the problem for the republicans is they have had their clocks cleaned in two years of negotiation, and obama, the difference between 1937 and the court packing plan, roosevelt was a god ringing 61 percent of the tote and president obama got 51 percent barely, an while romy was incompetent at campaigning. they show no imagination. if they did they can turn this debate over. >>neil: thank you, patrick who saw all of this covering on election night. if you missed it, i don't know what to...
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president obama scarred by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by a clear and close election to a second term has emerged as a different kind of negotiator. you know the criticism regarding the democrats not to stand united as a strong fist in the past with different negotiations. are we seeing a different strategy this time around where you put it all on the table and force the republicans' hand? >> well, the difference is, tamron, we just came out a presidential election where the issues we're talking about are central to the campaign. it wasn't a secret he thought we should have a balanced approach to look at the deficit and higher income individuals need to pay more. if we don't ask, everybody else is hit harder. the president is coming off a victory, and it's very clear that on this specific issue the overwhelming majority of the american people support him. so that's a big difference. as we come to the end of this fiscal cliff, republicans have to choose. do they call for $5 trillion in tax increases over the next ten years or are they going to allow the middle
president obama scarred by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by a clear and close election to a second term has emerged as a different kind of negotiator. you know the criticism regarding the democrats not to stand united as a strong fist in the past with different negotiations. are we seeing a different strategy this time around where you put it all on the table and force the republicans' hand? >> well, the difference is, tamron, we just came out a presidential...
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this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop the
this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the...
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you talked about presidents from obama to george w. bush, bill clinton, all objecting to settlement on that spot and getting his assurances from israel that it wouldn't be built on, so why now? tough talking? election coming up? what happened in the u.n.? what's the feeling there? >> well, certainly the israelis have made no secret of the fact that this is a direct punitive measure for what happened at the u.n. last thursday where, of course, the palestinians managed get an upgraded status there in the u.n. general assembly going to nonmember observer state. of course, the word state there is the operative one for the palestinians. the palestinians now say they do, in fact, have a state which is a taertory that is defined as the west bank, gaza, and east jerusalem. so, therefore, the palestinians are saying that this obviously would make the implementation of this state all but impossible because they say it would be impossible for them to even reach their capital that they want to have, which is, of course, east jerusalem. this is cer
you talked about presidents from obama to george w. bush, bill clinton, all objecting to settlement on that spot and getting his assurances from israel that it wouldn't be built on, so why now? tough talking? election coming up? what happened in the u.n.? what's the feeling there? >> well, certainly the israelis have made no secret of the fact that this is a direct punitive measure for what happened at the u.n. last thursday where, of course, the palestinians managed get an upgraded...
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president obama and treasury secretary to make his case while the president himself negotiators his kay way through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treas
president obama and treasury secretary to make his case while the president himself negotiators his kay way through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise...